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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 14, 2014 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oakie from Muskogee (Dead & Beach Boys 4.21.71)

The Beach Boys were not playing this, it was a on off with the Dead . I'm sure it is meant to be ironic ("we don't take our trips on LSD") , but also sort of respectful of Haggard, it is not a parody version .
I have heard, but this may not be true, that the songs' acceptance in hippiedom, cause Haggard to give 'em "The Fighting Side of Me" , a song bound to no be popular with the anti-war folks .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHAFmFsb9XM&;feature=kp

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 14, 2014 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oakie from Muskogee (Dead & Beach Boys 4.21.71)

Hey Dudley Dead;

Merle Haggard -- The Fightin' Side Of Me-- is like a Nixon campaign rally. I remember my -World War Two- generation great Uncle's and Aunt's being of that mind frame.
I believe the left has lost it way today but mobilization against the Vietnam War was needed. My Grandfather who was the most patriotic person I knew personally went down to the draft board to keep my Uncle from going to Vietnam.(not that it helped any) and although I would help the Vietnamese people rise up against their communist government today I would still oppose American troops on the ground. (You can be arrested for owning a bible in Vietnam and what churches are allowed are under government control and/or oversight)
What Althea Rose said about winning the cultural war is probably true because country music today sounds more like classic rock and roll then any other genre of music. It is not uncommon to see redneck country boys with long hair around here - while mine used to get me into fights back in the day. Now it is not a big deal.(Except now I am somewhat hair challenged)
I prefer the Dead/Beach boy version to Merle for that little twist of irony yet I agree there is no bitterness or sarcastic tone like when Nirvana covered Lake of Fire.
"White Lightning's still the biggest thrill of all"

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 14, 2014 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oakie from Muskogee (Dead & Beach Boys 4.21.71)

The sad thing about "The Fightin' Side of Me" ,to my mind, is the people with the mind set of the protagonist of the song, the ones who "answered their county's call", were betrayed by Kennedy>Johnson>Nixon ( toss in Westmorland ) who squandered their lives , in a costly dilatory war, that they were not willing to make the personal political sacrifices to their careers , to either disengage, or win it .
In the song I sense the frustration of the people who wanted to support their county, with their lives if the had to, but were being let down, not by the "squarely guy" in the anti war movement, but their leaders .

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 14, 2014 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oakie from Muskogee (Dead & Beach Boys 4.21.71)

Hey Dudley Dead;
I think a lot of people got taken for a ride by the government because they wanted to believe that the trust given over by the American people during World War Two could be extended indefinitely but the truth was it could not. Once the nation itself was no longer in jeopardy the darker side of human nature which you alluded to emerged and giving the government a blank check to fight Communism on the battlefront in Indo-China was neither realistic nor winnable.(Short of Nuclear War)
I can identify with the part of America that was family oriented and extremely patriotic but true patriotism considers the cost before it sends it's children and it's resources overseas to wage war.
We say we have learned those lessons from Vietnam but it would seem that both Afghanistan and Iraq are going to end up in the loss column in terms of the time effort and blood spent in those Nations by our Country.
"Selling guns instead of food today"